i'm really interested in this question because i've heard for years that if you forgo further education and go pioneering, when you have a family down the track you will get a good job because jehovah will provide for you because you pioneered.
as long as i was a kool-aid drinker, even then, i thought, "how does pioneering pay your bills?
surely education should come first.
Well bumped madam.
I'm screwed too. Window cleaner for two decades. No college or university. No retirement money set up. Body failing in all sorts of ways. Now I'm wondering what on earth I can do instead of my current job. Cack.
Jwpodcast has a good section about this this month.
it has been a good 8 years away from my area, a good 10 years + since i was regularly at meetings.
a good 12 years since i was hesitantly active.. it is a slow process but it does happen.
i now feel no connection to the belief system beyond memories.
You, sir, ROCK!
Good for you!
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i don't know where to start.
i got married a year and half ago.
some months into the marriage things where discovered.
There's some great advice up there. ^^
AllI can add is, please watch this video, a documentary, it will show how the elders are clearly not trained to counsel marriages beyond very basic issues, and why outside help is necessary where physical violence is present.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7k8gA37KMGE
I'm really sorry to hear of your distress, but as an ex elder, I can assure you we are NOT equipped to deal with such things, and as a husband I can say you SHOULDN'T have to put up with it.
at least i have this forum.
is there a shorthand for referring to this website?
saying jehovahs-witness.com seems like a long winded way..
"Hurly Spirit must have been flowing tonight because during Bible Highlights my hand was up the entire time to point out Judges 1:19, but I wasn't called on that time"
Cappy Tan, are you ME? Am I posting under two different accounts? And not even realising it?
Maybe they're wise to the fact that SOME try to be controversial in their comments, I was going to bring that out too but wasn't asked..
you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.
It saddens me that I can see myself in the first young jw (as of 20 years ago). I always remember being rudely told at a door when offering a creation magazine "don't be so stupid, get an education!". How rude I thought. But now I wish I'd done just that.
As for the video, I know I wouldn't like to be filmed, but they've got to expect that sort of thing since it's PUBLIC witnessing. Didn't they start vetting who could go on the carts? Maybe that just didn't work so they're just told to move on instead.
I feel sorry for the wasted years these kids have in front of them, but I think the video is more about proving a point than trying to wake anybody up. (the point being, most witnesses can't defend their faith very well at all). If it was a secretly filmed video you could have the best of both worlds, a real insight into the dumbassery of jw's, and the opportunity to plant some seeds of doubt.
christ, my mind feels f***ed.
there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?
cult?
I hate the way my mind jumps into 'apologetic' mode at the drop of a WT.
I just put it down to 40 odd years of indoctrination. It's like a well worn, rutted path that my bike wheels keep slipping into. I'll forge a new path eventually.
being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.
nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.
yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.
If he's a witness then I'm glad I'm not in his cong. What a nutter! I mean, I admire his passion, but there are ways and means of talking. I wonder if he'd say these things to an atheist he met on the doors?
Calm down dude, if you wanna discuss why you think we're wrong then DISCUSS, make a point and invite discussion, there's really no need to be a tit.
i find that when talking people who say they "used to be a jehovah's witness" they say words that show they have in fact, never been one.
it's like a man that worked for the post office for 30 years in a main major urban hub like chicago or new york... and you ask him, "in your last position, what was your rdo?
" and the man says "whats an rdo?".
Dear mister stupid,
I can assure you of my good standing within the JW's, and of a few others that I personally know on this board.
Having read your recent posts and the manner in which they are written, might I gently remind you that we are advised in the holy scriptures to be ready to make a defense for our faith with a quiet and mild spirit, not accusatorily and insultingly.
What kind of witness do you think you're giving brother?
jehovah's witnesses believe that god sent humans to write the bible because his servants can relate better to humans since they are humans.
i heard that at a meeting two weeks ago.
it does not make sense to me at all but i do not know how to explain it.
It's spin.
The bible was written by men. Fact.
Cognitive bias tells you that the bible is from God, so the FACT that it was written by men MUST be the best thing. So we invent a reason WHY it must be the best thing.
Imagine if the boot was on the other foot. The bible has been/claimed to be written by angels. What would we all be commenting on at the meetings? Our bias would tell us that since the bible is from God then that must be the best thing. We'd say that it's a good job he didn't get humans to write it all down, it'd be full of errors and inconsistencies. We'd say how could humans ever properly convey the grandeur and majesty of the heavenly visions of ezekiel and revelation? We'd slag off other holy books for being written by humans.
It's SPIN, to support our BIAS.
